252 | American Fascism: Then and Now

David and Helen talk with historian Sarah Churchwell about the origins, uses and abuses of the idea of American fascism.  Where does American fascism come from?  Does it follow a European model or is it something exceptional?  What role do white supremacy and anti-Semitism play in its development?  How close has it got to power?  Plus we ask the big question for now: Does it make sense to call Trump a fascist?

251 | Police State USA

We talk to Adom Getachew, Jasson Perez and Gary Gerstle about the politics of protest and the politics of policing in America.  What does 'Defund the Police' mean in practice?  Is the current crisis likely to empower or curtail the surveillance state?  How are the current protests different from ones we've seen in the past?  And where Minneapolis leads, will the world follow?  Plus we talk about the implications of the protests for the November elections.