243 | Ebola, COVID and the WHO

David and Helen talk this week with Amy Maxmen, senior reporter at Nature. Amy has covered the Ebola epidemic in Western Africa and now COVID-19 in the US.  Does she see comparisons between the two?  What explains the failures of the US response?  Can the WHO still make a difference?  Plus we explore the implications of the growing politicisation of science.  When did data become so divisive?

242 | David Miliband on the Crisis

We talk with David Miliband, head of the International Rescue Committee, about the impact of the pandemic on the world's poorest countries.  What happens in places where social distancing is not possible?  Plus we discuss the long-term implications of the crisis for the future global co-operation and global conflict.  Is this the moment for social democracy?  More details of the work of the IRC can be found here:  https://www.rescue-uk.org/

241 | What's Happening in Italy Now?

We catch up again with Lucia Rubinelli to discuss the latest developments in Italy.  With anger against the EU on the rise and regional divisions getting more acute, can the Italian government hold it together?  What is Salvini up to?  And will the technocrats try another take over?  Plus Lucia tells us what lockdown has been like for her.

240 | Lockdownonomics

David and Helen talk to the economist Diane Coyle about the long-term consequences of lock-down, for the economy, for society and for our well-being.  How can we measure the costs?  Who are likely to be the
biggest losers?  And what will it mean for how we structure our economies in future?  Plus we discuss what will happen if we pull back from global supply chain and we ask whether inflation is on its way.

235 | Can America Cope?

David, Helen and Gary Gerstle discuss the impact of the pandemic on the fundamentals of American politics.  What have we discovered about the strengths and weaknesses of the federal system?  Are the states capable of learning from each other?  What part will the Supreme Court play?  And can the Democrats really persist with Biden?  Plus we ask who has the 'police power' and what it means to use it.

234 | Michael Lewis Updated

Another chance to hear the prophetic interview we recorded with Michael Lewis late last year, when he warned about the risks to us all of what the Trump presidency was doing to the capacity of the American state to cope with a disaster.  David and Helen reflect on how that warning looks today and what it means for the fate of Trump's presidency and for the future of American politics.